Planet Terror out tomorrow

Planet Terror out on DVD tomorrow, 2 disc w/special features. Another installment RR's 15 film school, fun stuff. Really loved the various film grain effects, it became almost an impressionist painting sort of experience. Interested to see what it looks like on the small screen.

The good half has come out already.

I'll pick up P.T. And then I'll get the Double SE set when it comes out - I'm a sucker for special features. The GF and I saw G.H. twice in the theaters, we both like D.P. much more than P.T. I've watched D.P. twice so far on DVD and half of the special features. I dont imagine I'll watch P.T. much more than once, and that's if I make it through it once.

On Death Proof, though, I was very disappointed that QT put the "missing" lapdance "reel" back in. I'm a fan of the theatrical lapdances, but I liked it much more when I assumed the whole thing was just a joke to make people WISH there was really an existing "missing reel".

BUt...oh yeah....

WOohoo! Planet Terror tomorrow. I didnt even know. Good times. I will definitely pick that up.

-GageFX

Yes, Death Proof is more of a cool movie on its own, paying homage to the old movies, rather like Kill Bill.

Where Planet Terror just IS a bad B-movie.

I was also entertained by Planet Terror, but Death Proof caught me better.

As for the missing reel, it's also in Planet Terror, so I think it's fine to only have it in one movie (gag gets old quick).

And hey, you get a lap dance! What's to not like?! Smile

- Jonas

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	And hey, you get a lap dance! What's to not like?!

Same reason I made sure there was no nudity in my film. Things need to be right for the film, not what I want to see.

Of course....

That didnt keep me from filming the nude scene..... full nude.... even though nothing was to be shown on screen. Rolling Eyes

-GageFX

really? i thought death proof was horrible, at least the extended version (didn't see the reg. theater version). i understand what they were trying to do and love the genre tarantino was going for, but the pacing. Ugh. (spoilers)

There was that big setup at the beginning, then he just kills them all. oops. on to the next set of girls that talk enlessly about nothing (seriously), until they fight back and our main character starts crying like a little girl, which was a very quick change of character. 2 hours of awful with 5 minutes of decent driving sequences=one of the worst movies of the year.

and i'm not even a tarantino hater, i like a good 75% of his stuff. This was just terrible.

I liked Death Proof more in the theaters, but the extended edition is way too much talk with no real plot movement. I don't have a problem with dialog, but it has to move the plot forward. Also, I hate thinking about how much more awesome Death Proof could have been.
Oh, and when Zoe Bell first came on, I didn't really think anything of her, but by the time the movie was over, I had myself a new crush. She is awesome! And then I saw the documentary about her, and oooooooh man. How can a stuntwoman be so adorable?

We'll see if extended Planet Terror is better on DVD. And for the record, I loved both movies in the theater. Grindhouse was such a fun experience, and I wish it had done better in the theaters. I hope the DVDs at least prompt a line of Grindhouse movies by other directors. Bring on Machete!

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	We'll see if extended Planet Terror is better on DVD.

A longer P/T? Better? The same way an extra ten days in a hole in Vietnam would be better?

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	but by the time the movie was over, I had myself a new crush.

Yeah. K and I both had a new crush after that. We didnt stop talking about her for weeks.

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	I don't have a problem with dialog, but it has to move the plot forward.

It's QT! Only about 5% of his dialogue directly drives the plot. I could sit and listen to his dialogue for days. I like Michael Bay, but there was just too much unmotivated action and too many explosions that didnt move the plot forward. IT'S MICHAEL BAY. That's what he does. QT does the talking thing. Not for everyone, but I do find it strange when someone says they like QT but then when his new movie hits, they say there was too much talking.

I used to think that I liked Rodriguez. Every new movie that came out I was first in line, was severely disappointed then figured I had to see it again as I must have just missd something. I had to come to the realization that I just dont like Rodriguez. I liked Desperado - which I saw before I new anything about Mariachi. Then I was first in line for everyhting RR. Loved the first half of Dust 2 Dawn, then learned that was QT.

K loved Death Proof. I had her watch Resevoir Dogs. She hated it. "Too much talking." Shocked

And the above is no judgement of anyone's opinion of any films. It is only a question of how one can say they love beef. At least 75% of beef. There was just too much MEAT in the last chunk of beef. It's BEEF! There will be meat. It's QT. There will be endless yapping.

(And for the record, the Michael Bay comment for to make a point, not an expression of actual feelings.) Rolling Eyes

-GageFX

I really liked PT far more. The intensive manipulation of the image was beautiful, just beautiful. I think if you see it as just a bad B movie you're missing the most important part, which is how far you can push the image, to make it something else entirely. Moving into the realm of fine art. Don't know what all the film damage/grain will look like on the small screen but in the theater it looked fantastic. And it served the story. Actually I think the story was just an excuse for some great imagery.

Just my 2 cents as a cinema fan.

i've gotta be honest, I don't really like rodriguez either. love his book, his attitude, his 'film schools', etc....just not his movies. Technically he's a fine director...but his movies have never had a plot that got me really intrigued and involved, they just seem to be style over substance. they don't have that emotional grip that someone like john hillcoat or david fincher get.

I wish he would make a movie off of a really well written book (not a comic book Smile

) I think that would have potential. But alas, isn't his next project a live action Jetsons?

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I think if you see it as just a bad B movie you're missing the most important part, which is how far you can push the image, to make it something else entirely.

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	Moving into the realm of fine art.

Applying a couple plugins to make a bad digital movie look like 70s film turns it into art? It WAS just a bad B movie. Thats the problem. The only thing that made it better were the cameos. "Oh look! It's Bruce Willis in a Sh!tty B movie. Ha!" "Oh look! It's that guy from Lost!"

He could have made a GOOD B movie sendup. Well, apparently HE couldn't, but in theory, that's how it should have been done. If we want BAD 70s B movies, we can go watch them. He gave us nothing new, except today's stars in a bad 70s B movie. Not enough.

And I have a feeling QT REMOVED his scratchy/warped film plugins after he saw the butchery which was PT.

But that's just me.

-GageFX

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	Applying a couple plugins

don't let the guys/gals at the Orphanage hear you say that (I believe they worked on some of that "bad digital footage") Smile

IMO it went way beyond just getting a 70s film look, the time spent going over every frame showed, I found it beautiful. I think most people are missing the point, or maybe I'm reading to much into it.

anyway not everyone likes mayonnaise, but I really appreciated what they archived, I think it was rather unique.

I'm not complaining about QT's excessive dialog in general. Just in the Death Proof extension. I felt like the cut in the theaters, with the added lapdance (call me a sucker, but I think that's about the best lapdance scene), and some more stuntman mike would have made it perfect. I missed Kurt Russel in the second half. The best parts of Death Proof are the scenes with Stuntman Mike in the bar, the big crash, and the car chase scenes. oh, and "I'm ok!" The added scene of Stuntman Mike at the Circle A is nice, but there's a lot of it that could have been trimmed.
Oh well. I still like the movie.

And I still like RR and Planet Terror, despite what you say Gage. Smile

We didn't get the Grindhouse Double Bill over here because either 1) the bad box office in the US made them panic so they split in two or 2) Dutch people can barely sit through one film without talking, let alone 2 (personal gripe Laughing

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I saw Death Proof (the long version) and didn't mind it but it was almost as if QT was treading water or f**king around, to be honest. It wasn't The Fifth Film By Quentin Tarantino, like KB was advertised as the Fourth.
I have a marginal soft spot for his work because its a rare American film where you cannot predict the outcome in advance, and his provide that pleasure. I also don't mind the dialogue to a degree. When all the characters (particularly the females) start sounding like QT, it gets a bit much.

I haven't seen PT but Regarding Rodriguez, I'm not sure. I like his approach, not so sure I like his films. I agree with the style over substance thing. I DID like Sin City and I think that kind of thing fits his style well because, well, its highly stylised anyway. I think he needs a strong script by someone else, and possibly a tighter rein.

My 2 cents, as you Americans say...

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	When all the characters (particularly the females) start sounding like QT, it gets a bit much.

And that's probably my only problem with it. It was like they were all QT#1, QT#2, QT#3, etc just cast with pretty girls.

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	or f**king around,

I think that's it. BUt it's what he does, and he does it well.

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	...but I think that's about the best lapdance scene...

I've been a Vanessa Ferlito fan ever since I was kicking around on the 24 set when she was on it. Gorgeous. I even watched "Man of the House" for her. But not only do I think the scene needs to go (for flow reasons), I wasnt much a fan of seeing it. When the "reel was missing" when I saw it in the theater, I was bummed. I wanted to see the lapdance. Now... not so much. I think the scene is uneccesary and the lapdance un...stimulating? un....inspriing? un...whatever. Didnt like.

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	I missed Kurt Russel in the second half. The best parts of Death Proof are the scenes with Stuntman Mike in the bar, the big crash, and the car chase scenes.

And I think that's what makes the film brilliant. The LACK of the killer. He only shows up when he is needed.

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	The added scene of Stuntman Mike at the Circle A is nice, but there's a lot of it that could have been trimmed.

LOL. And I think the only thing that should be excluded from that scene is Mike. I dont like that he's there and I think it makes him too.... present. We need to completely FORGET about him until he gets into the scuffle at the end. Not even taking pictures as the girls leave the set.

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	don't let the guys/gals at the Orphanage hear you say that (I believe they worked on some of that "bad digital footage"

Just calling em as I see em. Have I ever been one to hold back? They did a good job with the old film look. The comments are less about the effect and more about what the effect is trying to hide. (poo)

-GageFX

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	And I think that's what makes the film brilliant. The LACK of the killer. He only shows up when he is needed.

Then he shouldn't have cast Kurt Russel. Smile

He's way too much fun to watch. Especially when he does his whole "book" bit. He looks like a little kid who finally got his way when she tells him to get ready for his lapdance.